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Well you haven’t even offered any. A Stop the War Coalition protester at a rally in January. The coalition has opposed the wars that are part of the so-called "War on Terror" of the Western nations. Although the Israeli government strongly supported the US in its stance on Iraq , Israel remained a neutral country during the Iraq War. Notes It does him no favours if we sweep the dark side of the StWC under the rug. p. 131. I would have preferred that Phil had focussed more on what STW actually says and does (or doesn’t say and doesn’t do) than on trying to track the SWP lineage behind it all. Undoubtedly there would have been extremely angry marches organised by the Stop the War Coalition and much else. By Jermaine Lebert. I don’t think that Andy has come near to providing and answer to that concern. Between 750,000 and two million people (depending on whose estimates you believed) marched through the streets of London . I disagree with most – but not all – of his substantive political points and I thoroughly disagree 100 per cent with his conclusion. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3550411.stm Nestor – good comments, and very well put. George Galloway MP, the renegade Labour MP who became Vice-President of the STWC and who was expelled from the Labour Party in the aftermath of the war, was asked in 2002 if he was part of the Stalinist left. You really need to be able to understand and grasp the notion of a broad-based single-issue campaign Gerry. 10. I didn’t see any “PhilBC Coalition” protests anywhere, or even any “Gerry Coalition” protests anywhere, for example. Why on earth do you feel that your holding those opinions prevents you from fully participating in StWC protests and activities? A response will come in due course. Surely the logical thing to do would be to put forward your political disagreements without rather ridiculously condemning the whole anti-war movement – because that makes no sense at all unless your position is one of full support for intervention. 983 likes. However, when the focus of US military intentions switched to Iraq , the Coalition began to develop a new prominence in British civil society. I went to two of the StWC central London protests (the Saturday before the vote and on the evening before the vote) and I found both events very inspiring. [8] Despite this huge rebellion the motion was passed due to the overwhelming size of Labour’s majority in the Commons, and also due to the support of the Conservative Party. I would like to support the comments of Dave Pavett and Karl Stewart who have very accurately articulated my own reaction to what is going on here. Anti-war campaign group in Bristol. With all due respect to him, I don’t think it’s unfair to describe him as someone who is on a rightwards political trajectory – from the Socialist Party into the Labour Party and then supporting Yvette Cooper in the leadership election. Jeremy was asked twice in the Parliamentary debate on the Syrian bombing by other MP’s about the need to directly support the Kurds. 1 Campaigns 1.1 Obama administration 1.2 Wars on Iraq and Afghanistan A few thousand people, mostly a lot younger than me, united in their opposition to bombing Syria. The Stop the War Coalition (StWC) (informally just Stop the War) is a United Kingdom group established on 21 September 2001 to campaign against what it believes are unjust wars. Your help is vital for us to continue our work. Glasgow Stop the War is happy to co-host this event with Stand up to Racism, the firefighters' FBU union, civil service workers' PCS union, public sector workers' Unison union, anti-racist homelessness and human rights charity Positive Action In Housing and environmental action group Extinction Rebellion Glasgow among others. Become a member for as little as £2 per month. Refusing to recognise a crime is being committed and then standing self righteously aside – rather than at least offering solidarity to the innocent victims though active campaigning, is the worst form of political cowardice. It would ally with and back Hitler, Mussolini, Franco and Tojo if they were alive today. Initially a campaign to oppose an American military response to the terrorist attacks, the first meeting was chaired by Lindsey German and attracted around 2,000 people. The Respect Coalition appear to be belatedly discovering that socialist and Islamists don’t necessarily believe the same things, and at some point will probably have to decide whether to retain the support of the Muslim Association of Britain or whether they want to undertake any meaningful campaigning on gay rights or women’s rights. SWP activists have contributed to a significant part of the STWC’s organisation in many local branches as well as at the national level. In fact the unravelling of the post 1918 current state boundaries may have gone so far now that no solution on current boundaries is possible. This has led them to imbue the most ghastly fascistic, totalitarian regimes with membership of the fantasy “axis of resistance” – not coincidentally usually made up of old allies of the USSR, eg, Gaddafi’s Libya, Assad’s Syria, Saddam’s Iraq, Serbia. Their arguments stand or fall on their own merits/faults. The same people who in a year’s time when the rapprochement with Tehran has cooled off will be recommending we recognise the Caliphate as a bulwark against Iranian-backed militias in Iraq and Syria from the other side of the sectarian divide in Islam. Alliance for Workers Liberty (October 2003) Briefing on the Muslim Association of Britain . Voices Stop the War Coalition: This group of left-wing enemies has survived many rifts. Red or green, aligned or not, Left Futures seeks to refresh and activate your politics. But he is nevertheless right, of course, to say that it is important to hold the government to account on the use of the military. Sounding off with simple assertions of opinion does not contribute to political debate. I would be surprised if many people could read the contributions in this thread and agree with you that trying to avoid strident and emotive condemnations is merely a matter of personal style and that debate can be advanced just as well without making that effort. Stop the War Coalition demonstration in Central London against military action in Syria. The most visible outward manifestation of this huge growth was the massive demonstration that took place on February 15 th 2003. Andy admits that STW has recently “published a couple of silly articles” and says that this was a deviation from the general picture. Since the bloody and illegal invasion and subsequent occupation of Iraq by US and British armies, the Stop the War Coalition (StWC) has consistently called for the withdrawal of foreign troops and the ending of the occupation. What I am suggesting is that we need a style of debate which we try to make as inclusive as possible. But what does AN tell us? Your reference to Corbyn’s “kinder politics” is also odd: what on earth does “kinder politics” mean? No, I haven’t got any when it come to whether StWC is pro-Putin, likes to holiday in Tehran every June, or whatever else these people seem to get so worked up about, because it misses the real point – StWC is not being witch-hunted by the Henry Jackson Society et al because of those things, but because it is an attack on Jeremy, so just like we didn’t even begin to get into detailed discussions whether Andrew Fisher went a bit far on various tweets when we made the necessary unconditional defence against his witch hunt now is the time to do the same for StWC that I’m not even a supporter of (except once removed via CND), because I will say again, if I have learnt anything in 3 decades of Labour membership you do not aid a witch hunt that is in full flow – and unfortunately the likes of Penney who seem to noit care about the effects of this inside the Party remind me of those sectarians during the 1980s that cheered on attacks on Militant because of how bad Militant were on this or that without stopping to think what the results would be afterwards with an emboldened and strengthened right-wing. 1. Better for the Kurds to be victims of Daesh and Turkish genocide than the Left has to grasp that sometimes the tactical needs of real people facing immanent destruction trumps the fanciful ideological constructs of UK Lefties – secure in our bourgeois democratic haven ! Stop the War Coalition conference AS THE US and Britain begin to mass their forces on the borders of Iraq, the Stop the War Coalition held its national conference on 11 January. Afghanistan is Lost: Bring Troops Home Now, Say Soldiers’ Families By Stop the War Coalition, November 12, 2012 . Why We Need an Anti-War Government. The aim of the Coalition was, to stop the war currently declared by the United States and its allies against ‘terrorism’. So the evidence against them is overwhelming, David….lets move on and not give these people the oxygen they crave! Cohen pointed out, quite rightly, that “there were 20 million reasons”[2] (the number of people killed by Stalin) to abominate the name of Stalin beyond all others. Phil Doré is a former activist in the Stop the War Coalition and author of the Stop the Stop the War Coalition website. For a socialist like me and many of those who like Left Futures, the moral position is to oppose BOTH American imperialism AND Stop the War’s twisted so called movement. As such, it was hugely successful in mobilising hundreds of thousands around a simplistic , but essentially accurate “It’s all about oil” and associated anti US Imperialism mantra. This appears to stem partly from the SWP’s stance on the Israel/Palestine conflict, which is aggressively pro-Palestine and anti-Israel. The sort of coalition building that StWC advocates is the coalition building that leads to red/brown alliances and throwing fellow socialists under a bus (pace the treatment of trade unionists and leftists in the Donbass, Crimea and Russia itself), the sort of coalition that democratic socialists should have no part in. Stop the War Coalition and the IFTU . The Stop the War Coalition, back in the news due to the Syrian crisis, has a punchy name but not a wholly accurate one. The Left needs to rethink its analysis, and form a more principled, tactically flexible, campaigning vehicle to challenge the UK government’s cynical role in the Middle East – including its absolute refusal to challenge the huge role of Turkey and the Gulf states in supporting the Sunni fundamentalists in the conflict – including the clerico-fascists of Daesh. I therefore think that Corbyn’s idea of a kinder politics needs to be taken to heart. I can oppose the bombing of Syria by the West without supporting Assad and Putin thank you very much. (November 2003) George Cross: George Galloway MP. I have seldom read such a conglomeration of non-sequitur statements and dishonest arguments marshalled in one article. Whatever its organisational flaws, the STWC grew at an exponential rate as war loomed, mostly developing through blossoming networks at local levels. 4. Actually, in 1917, Lenin’s home was Switzerland. Of course the now only too obvious fundamental , ancient, conflict between Shia and Sunni, and their associated local and regional powers driving the current multi factional bloodbath, rather undercuts the daft simplification of StW that the whole thing is solely the outcome of the Iraq War, and British/ French and US Imperialism (undoubtedly hugely implicated as these actors are , both historically and now). who reject Stop the War because they are a) anti-socialist in that they ally with groups who are self described enemies of socialism? Christopher Mark Nineham is a British political activist and founder member of the Stop the War Coalition serving as National Officer and Deputy Chair of the Stop the War Coalition in the UK. The Respect Coalition – Reactionaries in Progressive Clothing? http://www.workersliberty.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=570&mode=thread&order=0 But then Andy goes on to make an argument that seems to me to bear out Phil’s concerns. to those who want to prevent terrorism He also says that “In Britain there is a deep pride in the armed forces, and respect for the ideal of service that they represent. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. 11 A nominally impressive figure, but a small fraction of the hundreds of thousands who gathered the previous February. Cohen N. op cit. Now who do you think an undecided reader is more likely to be inclined to sympathise with? The ‘protest virgins’ were the first to go. There is no argument so it is presumably meant to be blindingly obvious that they were right in each case. You and your fellow-thinkers are in fact stooges of the Assad regime, and in refusing to support the right of the secular Kurdish forces right to fight Daesh’s clerico-fascism “by any means necessary” you are by absence of solidarity action , indirectly complicit in the crimes of Daesh too. He served under Jeremy Corbyn from 2011 to 2015. I personally try to play the ball not the person and I accept that sometimes I have blurred the line: instead of saying Andy Newman is an apologist for fascism apologists, I should have said:” his politics are those of an apologist for fascism apologists”! 9. Your help is vital for us to continue our work. I also don’t agree 100 per cent with the political views of every single person within the Stop the War Coalition, but I also supported 100 per cent the protests that StWC organised against the bombing of Syria and attended some of them. Shame, he probably had a bright future. | Powered by, http://www.workersliberty.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=570&mode=thread&order=0, http://www.parliament.uk/commons/lib/research/notes/snSG-02109.pdf, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3550411.stm. And in response to your: “No to Washington, No to Moscow, No to Islamic fundamentalism, No to free market fundamentalism”, fair enough, that’s your opinion and, like PhilBC, you’re fully entitled to it. Phrases like “utter tripe”, “lack of intellect” etc express a conclusion reached. A more effective technique might have been to produce well-researched, well-argued critiques of the arguments for war, which could then be presented to MPs and journalists in large-scale lobbying efforts and media campaigns. These boneheads reduced a mass movement against an illegal war into a Putin fan club of about 250 people that demonstrated outside the US embassy for the right of Gadaffi to flatten Benghazi and shoulder to shoulder with Assad’s goons after his chemical attacks on the Syrian people. He was one of the main organisers of the 15 February 2003 anti-war protest against the … 12. Pacifists Praising Fascists Killing Democrats, Secular Coalition for America Calls Upon Pentagon to Cancel ‘Christian-Themed’ Event. Consider the case, yet again, of the only secular, womens’ rights supporting, non sectarian, in many cases avowedly socialist, fighting force in the Syria/Iraq conflict standing up to the well armed murderous clerico- fascists of Daesh- the Kurds. On the contrary, James, Bomber Benn’s and Eagle’s opportunist mirroring of the cynical narrative of the Tories, had nothing to offer the Syrian or Kurdish peoples. PAULA MITCHELL reports on this stage in the development of the anti-war movement in Britain. In its words: “Our consistent objective was always – and still is – to oppose the war policies of our … It was a necessary phase in human economic development and in future decades our current class system will be seen as no better. We are not here talking about a closed academic debate in which all the participants can be assumed to have broadly the same background knowledge. With respect, aren’t you mixing up two things here? The Stop the War Coalition annual general meeting on 22 April 2017 passed the following motions. [9] Likewise, the aid agencies Caritas Internationalis and Save the Children UK produced their own reports detailing the likely humanitarian consequences of war. For example, the appointment of Andrew Murray, who sits on the politburo of the Communist Party of Britain, to the chair of the STWC was to cause PR problems for the STWC when it emerged that he had written an article in Morning Star to commemorate the 120 th anniversary of Stalin’s birth. 8. So, no, not being trapped in your rigid stalinoid ideological framework , with its narrow soviet-era definition of “imperialism” – and with no illusions that the murderous Assad dictatorship is, or was ever, either a socialist state, or an “anti imperialist” power, I don’t find it necessary to either support the current Tory/Benn barren “do a meaningless bit of bombing as an act of pure theatre” “strategy”, or in contrast, refuse to support the tactical needs of the progressive Kurdish forces to draw down air support and arms from whosoever THEY choose. Hopefully they will find more out for themselves…..As I wrote before, I actually loathe discussing Stop the War,giving them undeserved oxygen…I would rather we prioritise our political energies in this crucial period, focus on making the ecomonic case for socialism, and other day-to-day issues which all pollsters tell us are the key ones for voters: the EU, immigration, welfare, health. And the support of StWC for the mass slaughter of Syrian by the `legitimate’ regime of Assad puts these people on the other side to any divide I want to be on. Given that open and informed discussion is something for which the Labour Party, not to speak of the left in general, does not have a strong tradition or culture I think we need to think carefully about the way we try to establish it. He’s a sophisticated and interesting man…He was a great Shakespeare man, a great Sinatra man. I don’t think so Karl Stewart. Unsubstantiated conspiracy theories were touted as hard fact. So Lenin backing the idea of not fighting the German army ,in the Great War, was similar to not invading Iraq? The STWC was probably incapable of doing this. I stand by my description of Stop the War’s poisonous politics, and their backers, leaders,and alliances: the “supporting evidence” – as Jim Denham notes – is all over their website and back pages.Those tweets about Paris, and comparing ISIS to the international brigade were just 2 of literally hundreds of victim blaming, anti Western, pro jihadi, pro Russian imperialism articles and statements since that awful Tariq Ali quote you note. Around the time of the huge demonstrations of February 15 th 2003, the Stop the War Coalition had emerged as one of the biggest protest movements in British history, yet it failed to achieve its goal of preventing war in Iraq. But I think you are rather missing the point, then he wouldn’t care of the German David Ellis, …and not bonkers in a fun, amusing way, but just in a very dull and grumpy monotone, It is a coalition of the vilest supporters of genocide and gangsterism. Afghanistan had been a war with a clear casus belli (the September 11 th attacks by al Qaeda, and the Taliban‘s subsequent refusal to expel al Qaeda from Afghanistan), whereas Iraq had no such clear grounds for war. Stop the War Coalition promotes illusions that Thursday’s parliamentary defeat of the government’s pro-war motion means the danger of an attack on Syria has passed. David – your style of debate and political argument is just one style, and others have their own style of debate, which include use of heightened language and emotion, which I also think is perfectly reasonable. Britain’s Stop the War Coalition (STWC) held a demonstration in London on Saturday. Your comments are disgraceful. LONDON — The world of the British far-left is a small one. Not again…all you have done is prove the point that Stop the War is not anti-war, but anti-west. Stop the War Coalition was founded in September 2001 in the weeks following 9/11, when George W. Bush announced the “war on terror”. I thought Phil BC’s piece was a bit over the top but I also found Andy N’s response unconvincing. If we want to maximise the number of people who get involved having dipped their toes in the water of political activity then we need to drop the short-hand condemnations and justify all the conclusions we reach even if that is sometimes limited to providing appropriate links to the sources on which our judgements are based. Because of the strong influence of the SWP on the Coalition, the STWC has inherited some of the SWP’s strengths (notably the ability to organise and coordinate protests on a large scale), but also many of its weaknesses (crass dogmatising, reducing complicated issues to a banner-sized slogan, kneejerk anti-American and anti-Israel sentiment, unwillingness to criticise totalitarian regimes that suit their ideological outlook). Also, the SWP appeared to be aware of the potential for Muslim activists to be mobilised via the mosques of Britain . Funnily enough, I loathe giving obviously poisonous groups like Stop the War so much oxygen but articles like this from Andy Newman simply make my blood boil….when, as you rightly argue elsewhere, there is so much hard thinking and medium/long term policy work to do on the economy, the EU, immigration, welfare, let alone health and education: the sort of work that any credible opposition should be doing now after a shattering election defeat. StWc in its cynical selective sole focus on the (undoubted) crimes of Western imperialism is actually, by default , providing ideological cover to the Assad regime and its Iranian and Russian imperialist allies. Some contributions were free of this stuff but it should be evident that a serious debate cannot but be clogged up when so many feel that this sort of thing is a contribution to discussion. Yes, I did support the Soviet Union, and I think the disappearance of the Soviet Union is the biggest catastrophe of my life. Andy Newman objects to Phil BC’s piece on Stop the War. Join Stop the War. David – some fair(ish) points. StWC deserves a great deal of credit for organising these and many other protests around the country. Yes, lots of varying political opinions, many of which I might not agree with, but lively and positive rallies of some very motivated and well-intentioned people. While broadly agreeing with PBC’s argument I had my disagreements with it – especially regarding what seems to me to be his obsession with the activities of the SWP and like groups. And people like Peter Willsman have said personally abusive things about you, but signs his comments off ” yours in comradeship” – perhaps that is the new ” kinder politics” too? This conjunction of the SWP and the MAB led to the STWC drawing a clear link between war in Iraq with Israel/Palestine. What Stop the War has done instead is focus on the inadequacy of UK military action as a solution. Anybody who gives it political cover has some of the blood on its hands. Become a member for as little as £2 per month. Stop the War Coalition (StWC) hosted the event, which took place at The Priory Rooms in Bull Street on Thursday, to mark 15 years since what was the largest demonstration in British history. As a result I’ve now joined StWC for the first time and taken out a monthly DD, and I’d encourage others to do the same. By becoming a Stop the War member today, you’ll be part of a mass anti-war movement. Success in that requires that that we have high standards of toleranceband civility combined with generous assumptionsbabout what motivates those we disagree with. The Stop The War Coalition website has published a number of posts about Ukraine. 5. Moreover, within weeks of the February protests, the STWC had gone into decline with startling … Is that an impossible notion by definition? If you are asking did I support the Soviet Union , yes I did. Gerry, yes I did read PhilBC’s article. The following week saw marches that were little more than a collection of hard-left groups selling their newspapers to each other – a pitiful sight for an organisation that, less than two months earlier, had buried the streets of London under a sea of people. A founding member and convenor of the British anti-war organisation Stop the War Coalition, she was formerly a member of the Socialist Workers Party, sitting on its central committee and editor of its magazine, Socialist Review. Not quite the same thing. Its core activists were unable to capitalise on the huge groundswell of support they had received prior to the war in Iraq , and it was to become dogged by poor leadership and vulnerable to hijack by political and religious extremists. The labour movement does not need a pro-Putin fifth column. 11. The West launches one specious war after another on developing nations and you insult the major voluntary organisation in the UK that seeks to resist our imperial aggression. I have been following the STW debate carefully here as a “newcomer” to the backstory and I am trying to make a disinterested judgement about them and their works. However, the impression gained from the inside was that the main conduits of its development were hard-left groups such as the SWP, the Socialist Alliance, the Socialist Party and Workers Power, Islamic groups and mosques, trade unions, peace organisations such as the CND, environmental groups such as the Green Party, and the left wing of the Labour Party. Very long post, John – though very true. I suggest that if we are to make something of the opportunity provided by Corbyn’s election then we will have many very difficult debates to go through on a wide range of topic. And yet it is those campaigning for peace and against the never-ending wars and bombing waged by the UK and NATO that get the abuse. 2. The issue is what is tactically appropriate for the real people fighting fascist tyranny NOW in the area – not fitting everything that occurs into a rigid , pre-set ideological narrative – based on entirely bogus soviet era “Stalino-Marxism”. They are barely friends of the Kurds. This pattern seems to have been repeated in other cities across the UK . They are certainly no friends of the Syrian Democratic Revolution. It allies with jihadis, islamists stalinists and neo stalinists against democratic socialists everywhere. Karl – you persist in saying Stop the War is synonymous with the anti- War movement. Sticking rigidly to the “its all, solely Western imperialism’s fault” , requires StW to ignore the huge role of the lesser imperialisms of Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia – and of course Russia. Weekly Worker 521, All posts and comments are © their respective authors. 6. At its height, the Stop the War Coalition was the biggest protest movement in British history, but it utterly failed to achieve its objectives. I don’t think that abuse is made acceptible by ending it with “yours in comradeship”. On March 20 th 2004 the STWC held a march to commemorate the first anniversary of the beginning of the war. Anyone new to the party or politics who reads this thread now knows there are powerful easy to comprehend arguments against Stop the War, like Phil’s great article, as well as some arguments for them, like Andy Newman’s article which of course I think is weak. A week later, the local STWC was able to amass a crowd that was smaller in size, but still numbering in the hundreds, to march through town. Stop the War. Stop the War Coalition was live. In fact there has hardly been any shortage of those offering decontextualised, liberal platitudes about all those complex issues, so this was no gap that STW had to fill. The Independent on Sunday. At the StWC rally I attended in Parliament Square, for example, there were speakers from a range of organisations I neither belong to nor support – the Green Party, the SNP, CND for example. By the way the `anti-imperialist’ Newman’s and he learned his machine politics in the degenerate SWP idea of the ideal politician is a lash up of Winston Churchill, Mao and Putin. Most of the arguments claiming to link the Israel/Palestine issue to the Iraq issue tended to be simply comparisons – the malign effect of US foreign policy in the Middle East , a perceived oppression of Muslims by the West, track records on failing to observe UN resolutions – rather than actual concrete links between the two countries and conflicts. That, at least, is what experience of successful and failed debates suggests to me. [10] However, established bodies such as the Church of England and Save the Children were not part of the STWC, and were unlikely to join when one takes into account the explicit or implicit support to totalitarian regimes given by some of its key figures. Corbyn from 2011 to 2015 been much stronger than for that in summing-up! 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